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stressed, and stressed, but Claudio Scajola looks like one of those who at times brings out the hidden energies. Receive Free noble wing on the first floor of the ministero che guida, quello per lo Sviluppo Economico. È in camicia, senza giacca. Appare intenzionato a combattere sino in fondo. Se qualcuno si attendeva da lui mezze ammissioni sullo strano caso del suo appartamento a due passi dal Colosseo, acquistato sei anni fa, rimarrà deluso: Scajola non molla di un millimetro. Anzi, contrattacca.
Signor ministro, intende raccontare tutta la storia del suo appartamento?
«Mi trovo ogni giorno su tutti i giornali da una settimana. Non ho nessun problema a raccontare la verità. Che mi pare molto semplice. E allora ho deciso di rispondere alle domande che mi vengono poste».
Innanzitutto, lei è indagato per questa vicenda?
"No, not investigated."
When he bought his apartment near the Colosseum?
"In the early days of July 2004."
Who bought his apartment?
'sisters Barbara and Beatrice Pope. " How
paid him?
"I paid only the agreed sum at the time of the deed: 610mila €.
Where did this money?
"I found almost all of them through a loan with Banco di Napoli. You can verify this easily. "
Seicentodiecimila € seem few for a similar apartment.
"This is a mezzanine in a building of the Sixties, in poor condition."
How big is the apartment?
"One hundred and eighty square meters.
It seems that she has done a good buy.
"A good buy. But these days I have documented. I went to see property prices in that area in 2004. And they are in line with the price of my place of purchase. "
Architect Angelo Zampolini, linked to a manufacturer Anemone Diego, had some role in the purchase or find the right apartment?
"It was the engineer Angelo Balducci who was then superintendent of public works of Lazio, I knew a long time and whom I esteem, who offered to help me find a house that would be fine. I believe that Balducci had then turned to Zampolini to help him find some suitable solution for me. I had no home at the time, I lived at the hotel. "
How the proposed apartments?
"Three or four. Li went to see. It seemed to me that the area in Colle Oppio, near the Colosseum, it was a good deal. I took it. "
So Zampolini helped her find the apartment.
"Balducci is the person who helped me."
Balducci oggi è agli arresti. Di lui si è parlato molto negli ultimi mesi per il ruolo centrale che avrebbe svolto nella “cricca” degli appalti per il G8.
«Balducci all’epoca era gentiluomo del Papa, conosciuto da tutti come persona stimabile. Tanto che, pure ai tempi del governo Prodi, ricoprì un ruolo importante a palazzo Chigi. Prima ancora era stato responsabile del Giubileo 2000 a Roma. E mi lasci ricordare che nella nostra Costituzione vige il principio della presunzione d’innocenza, fino a sentenza definitiva».
È vero, come raccontano le sorelle Papa, che all’inizio delle trattative lei ha consegnato loro, “brevi manu”, 200mila euro in contanti come anticipo per l’acquisto dell’appartamento, dei quali non appare traccia nella vostra transazione ufficiale?
«Assolutamente no. E comunque io non ho letto queste dichiarazioni delle sorelle Papa. Ho visto solo i resoconti giornalistici, tra l’altro contraddittori. Ad esempio sulla posizione del notaio, che secondo un giornale confermerebbe quanto sostenuto dalle sorelle Papa, mentre secondo un’altra testata lo negherebbe».
Come spiega che ottanta assegni circolari provenienti dal conto di Zampolini alla Deutsche Bank, per un valore complessivo di 900mila euro, coperti dai contanti di Anemone, siano stati intestati alle sorelle Papa?
«Ho appreso dell’esistenza eighty of these checks in newspapers in recent days. Before I knew nothing, and now I still do not understand why he would have received without my knowledge. I only know as I bought the flat, on what date and at what price. And if something has happened, is not to my knowledge. "
So she was not to receive these benefits from the sisters and turn Zampolini Pope?
"But never mind. The normal behavior would seem like this? And then I would have paid that apartment at a price that would not have been more than the market. However it is not problem that concerns me: I am not suspect. "
knew the farmer Diego Anemone?
"I knew when I was Minister of the Interior, because his company was putting in the security department of the Ministry of accommodation."
has ever awarded contracts to Anemone?
"I have no contracts ever given to anyone. It will be easy to find by documents. "
When he was interior minister had never made any kind of favor to Balducci, Anemone, or who Zampolini for them?
"I rule out categorically. At the material time was Minister for the Implementation of the program, which is known as a minister without portfolio. At the Interior Ministry, which had left two years ago, I never worked on contracts. So, what kind of "favors" I could never do all these? Let me add that if he found something in this regard, I would not simply a person informed of the facts, but suspect. "
So, in your opinion, would have lied Zampolini, Papa and the sisters - with them - the notary Gianluca Napoleoni, who seems to subscribe to the version of the sisters. Why should they?
"What all these people saying these things you say so."
not only tells the Free. They say all the papers.
"Exactly. At the time the statements attributed to witnesses heard by the public prosecutor of Perugia are just rumors, the quotes from other people. I do not suggest that verbal with their statements have already been deposited. Anyway, the versions also read the newspapers seem discrepant. I'll tell you more: they are absolutely convinced that no one could have said that I have given sums of money beyond that paid at the time of the deed in the presence of the notary. No one could have said and no one can say. "
But if any of those who today accuse seem to confirm the rumors concerning him, she lodge a complaint against him?
"I doubt that anyone could have issued statements that do not correspond to the truth. I await the publication of documents per conoscere le dichiarazioni originali di tutte le persone seguite in questa vicenda. Se emergesse che sono state rilasciate davvero affermazioni del genere, chiare ed esplicite, non esiterei ad andare a qualunque confronto. Sino alle estreme conseguenze».
Il pm ha chiesto di vederla?
«Sì, ma solo come persona informata dei fatti».
E lei andrà da lui?
«Certo, ho già proposto al giudice un incontro a breve, compatibile con i miei impegni di governo».
Se dovesse essere indagato cosa farebbe?
«Andrei a chiarire tutta la vicenda davanti al mio giudice naturale».
È vero On Thursday, when he traveled by Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, she was also ready to resign from his position as minister?
"The prime minister has the collective responsibility of government. I am a minister in the Berlusconi government, are his friend and admirer. It seemed logical that could conduct its own evaluations, which I would have stuck. But let me add that if in this country, first to ascertain the truth, they were already giving the sentences would be a country of barbarians. "
His resignation as a minister are among the possible outcomes of this story?
"There is no reason why I should resign. There are reasons per cui le “stranezze” che sto registrando siano chiarite, nel rispetto delle regole».
Gli esponenti della Lega non si sono sprecati in dichiarazioni di solidarietà nei suoi confronti.
«Ieri sera (giovedì, ndr) ero seduto proprio qui. A quel telefono là mi ha chiamato Roberto Calderoli, con Umberto Bossi accanto, per esprimermi tutta la loro vicinanza».
Gianfranco Fini e i suoi si sono fatti sentire?
«Sempre allo stesso telefono, nella stessa serata, mi ha chiamato Fini. Anche lui voleva esprimermi la propria vicinanza».
© Libero . Pubblicato il 1 maggio 2010.
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